Recently I was listening to a Phillies game on the radio and I heard the announcers talking about how Roy Halladay stands a good shot at winning 300 games and if he does how he'll possibly be the last to do so for a long time. Later Dave Schoenfield of ESPN.com blogged about the statement too. They were right in acknowledging that he's had great durability and that durability will need to continue as he ages if he's to have any chance. Pitching for the Phillies right now doesn't hurt either since they've been one of baseball's most consistently good teams in the past half decade.
As much as I'm impressed by him I don't believe Roy Halladay has the best chance of winning 300 games of active pitchers. I do believe the next 300 game winner is active, however. I've often mentioned to friends that I thought CC Sabathia had a real shot of winning 300 after he signed with the Yankees three years ago and this little exercise will give me the opportunity to compare him side by side with Halladay.
First off, here's a little breakdown of every pitcher who's had a shot of winning 300 games since 1980:
The first thing that stands out is that every 300 game winner has pitched into their 40's and with the exceptions of Steve Carlton and Greg Maddux they've needed to in order to get the milestone. Another important thing to note is how important it is to be successful in your twenties. Unless a pitcher can continue pitching until he's 45 he'll need to earn about 120 wins in his twenties to have a realistic shot. One thing that's not noted in the chart but should be pointed out is that durability is extremely important. Missing a season can easily set you back enough so that 300 wins is just enough out of reach that a team won't be willing to sign an aging hurler with fading skills. With that being said here are the best candidates among active pitchers for reaching 300 wins:
*Note: I'm using the age of 41 because the average age of players earning their 300th win in the first table is 41.5
After factoring in age and career wins presented in the table above, it's clear to me CC Sabathia has an excellent chance at reaching 300 wins. Roy Halladay is the guy closest with a reasonable chance which is probably why he's the one being talked about most. After CC and Hallday, Felix Hernandez has probably a one in three shot since he's still only 26 and may have 100 career victories by the end of this season. Everyone else is still too young or too far away to take seriously. When some of these guys reach 200 wins then we can talk.
As much as I'm impressed by him I don't believe Roy Halladay has the best chance of winning 300 games of active pitchers. I do believe the next 300 game winner is active, however. I've often mentioned to friends that I thought CC Sabathia had a real shot of winning 300 after he signed with the Yankees three years ago and this little exercise will give me the opportunity to compare him side by side with Halladay.
First off, here's a little breakdown of every pitcher who's had a shot of winning 300 games since 1980:
Total Wins | Wins before turning 30 | Wins after 30 | Age at 300th Win | Age of Final Win | Date of 300th Win | ||
Randy Johnson | 303 | 64 | 239 | 45 | 46 | 6/4/09 | |
Tom Glavine | 305 | 124 | 181 | 41 | 42 | 8/5/07 | |
Greg Maddux | 355 | 151 | 204 | 38 | 42 | 8/7/04 | |
Roger Clemens | 354 | 146 | 208 | 40 | 44 | 6/13/03 | |
Nolan Ryan | 324 | 122 | 202 | 43 | 46 | 7/31/90 | |
Tom Seaver | 311 | 146 | 165 | 40 | 41 | 8/4/85 | |
Don Sutton | 324 | 139 | 185 | 41 | 43 | 6/18/86 | |
Phil Niekro | 318 | 31 | 287 | 46 | 48 | 10/6/85 | |
Steve Carlton | 329 | 133 | 196 | 38 | 43 | 9/23/83 | |
Gaylord Perry | 314 | 58 | 256 | 43 | 44 | 5/6/82 | |
Tommy John | 297 | 98 | 199 | N/A | 46 | N/A | |
Bert Blyleven | 287 | 156 | 131 | N/A | 41 | N/A | |
Ferguson Jenkins | 284 | 135 | 149 | N/A | 40 | N/A |
The first thing that stands out is that every 300 game winner has pitched into their 40's and with the exceptions of Steve Carlton and Greg Maddux they've needed to in order to get the milestone. Another important thing to note is how important it is to be successful in your twenties. Unless a pitcher can continue pitching until he's 45 he'll need to earn about 120 wins in his twenties to have a realistic shot. One thing that's not noted in the chart but should be pointed out is that durability is extremely important. Missing a season can easily set you back enough so that 300 wins is just enough out of reach that a team won't be willing to sign an aging hurler with fading skills. With that being said here are the best candidates among active pitchers for reaching 300 wins:
Age | Wins | Wins/Yr | Wins before 30 | Wins Needed | Wins/Yr Until 41* | ||
Jamie Moyer | 49 | 269 | 14 | 34 | 31 | N/A | |
Roy Halladay | 35 | 192 | 17 | 99 | 108 | 18.0 | |
Tim Hudson | 36 | 183 | 16 | 101 | 117 | 23.4 | |
CC Sabathia | 31 | 181 | 17 | 172 | 119 | 11.9 | |
Mark Buehrle | 33 | 164 | 14 | 122 | 136 | 17.0 | |
Roy Oswalt | 34 | 159 | 16 | 111 | 141 | 20.1 | |
J. Verlander | 29 | 111 | 18 | 111 | 189 | 15.8 | |
Dan Haren | 31 | 108 | 14 | 101 | 192 | 19.2 | |
F. Hernandez | 26 | 88 | 14 | 88 | 212 | 14.1 | |
Jered Weaver | 29 | 87 | 16 | 87 | 213 | 17.8 | |
Zack Greinke | 28 | 80 | 12 | 80 | 220 | 16.9 | |
Cole Hamels | 28 | 79 | 14 | 79 | 221 | 17.0 | |
Tim Lincecum | 28 | 71 | 15 | 71 | 229 | 17.6 | |
C. Kershaw | 24 | 50 | 14 | 50 | 250 | 14.7 |
*Note: I'm using the age of 41 because the average age of players earning their 300th win in the first table is 41.5
Injury and crappy bullpens have cost Tim Hudson more wins than I care to count. |
- How amazing is Jamie Moyer? He only earned 34 wins prior to his 30th birthday and now has 269 on his resume. Sure he's 49 but what a remarkable career. This may be his final season as he's coming off Tommy John surgery and is not as effective as he was pre-surgery (when he was 47).
- Roy Halladay is second on the list with 192 career victories. If he's to get 300 wins he'll need to average 18 wins a year over the next six seasons. That's tough but not impossible, especially with the way he's been pitching the last few seasons.
- Tim Hudson is hurt here thanks to losing half of 2008 and all but seven starts worth of 2009 to injury. I don't have data available but I willing to bet he led the majors in wins blown by bullpen from 2000-2010.
- Mark Buehrle and Roy Oswalt have roughly the same shot in my opinion. Buehrle's been plagued by slipping effectiveness while Oswalt has trouble staying healthy. The odds are stacked against them.
- Justin Verlander is a tricky one to put odds on. He is absolutely the best pitcher in the American League right now and is extremely durable (look at those innings pitched numbers over the past five seasons: 201, 201, 240, 224, 250). I'd like his odds better if I believed he'll still be pitching when he's 40.
- Haren is a bit of a late bloomer. He's just now entering his prime and his odds can really improve with a couple more good seasons.
- Weaver, Lincecum, Greinke, and Hamels are all in the same boat. They're young and have a long way to go. Six years ago Barry Zito would have been in their age group but he had 102 wins so be careful when making projections.
- Clayton Kershaw is a really interesting case. At just 24 years old he's already 16% of the way there. Last year's Cy Young Award winner is just too far away to project with any certainty. An injury could derail him but he's so good that if he doesn't lose too much effectiveness it would only be a minor setback. He's a fun one to watch.
After factoring in age and career wins presented in the table above, it's clear to me CC Sabathia has an excellent chance at reaching 300 wins. Roy Halladay is the guy closest with a reasonable chance which is probably why he's the one being talked about most. After CC and Hallday, Felix Hernandez has probably a one in three shot since he's still only 26 and may have 100 career victories by the end of this season. Everyone else is still too young or too far away to take seriously. When some of these guys reach 200 wins then we can talk.
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